Untitled - September 9, 2025
00:00:00 Speaker: I see you doing all the things, holding all the pieces. It's a lot. Here's the truth. You don't need more time to be the mom you want to be. You need more connection. And it starts with nine minutes a day. Hi, I'm Denise Talcott with the Working Moms Redefined podcast. I've created a masterclass that tells you exactly how to build deep, lasting connection with your kids in the middle of your busy life. You can start today at Working Moms Redefined dot com or click our link in the show notes. Remember, you can do hard things, but you don't have to do them alone. Hi, I'm Denise, host of the Working Moms Redefined podcast. Let's join together as we lessen the hold of mom guilt in our lives, thrive in our careers, and raise great kids. You are doing enough. Let us boost your confidence today on this episode of the Working Moms Redefined podcast. Justice is hard. Authenticity is hard. Being vulnerable is hard. And we're not talking about that justice in the courtroom where you slam things down and you say, I will bring justice to this scenario. We are talking about making sure that voices are heard around the table and that the right people get a seat. It's Denise, and you are listening to the Working Moms Redefined podcast. We are excited to not only talk about those core values, but how, as working parents, our connection and correlation to profit and impact might actually be a little construed. I'm excited to welcome to the podcast Maggie Strong. She is the owner of Strong Consulting and she helps communities achieve so many wonderful things, whether it's positivity, sustainable change, communication and she does it all through strategy, so she's actually making a plan and sticking to it. She, of course, also enjoys empowering women like you and I to lead with clarity, confidence and courage. Maggie is based in central Illinois with her husband, Aaron, and they have three children. We are excited to learn all about Maggie. Maggie, welcome to the Working Moms Redefined podcast. Thank you. Happy to be here. Oh, when you are watching on our YouTube channel, you can see the sincerity that Maggie brings to the table each and every time. And the cool thing is, guys, she's like this day in and day out. Maggie, can you share with us what our listeners might expect to learn or take away from our conversation today? You know, I hope people are a little bit more courageous after today in their actions and how they show up in everyday situations, how they stay true to themselves. Maybe get clear on making some decisions that have been tough, that really align with their values and who they want to be. Before we get to know exactly what you do, I would love to know where your passion comes from for this type of work. It really came from. I'll tell you a story. My when I was, um, very young, not even old enough to cross the street, we had this lovely neighbor lady who we thought was scary. Um, because she looked a little older. She was probably sixty. But to me, you know, she was ninety years old, almost dead. Um, and she looked a little scary. And so I decided, I think I must have just watched Pollyanna. So I decided I was going to go introduce myself to her. And it was. Her name was Mrs. Wessels, and, um, I became lifelong friends with Mrs. Wessels. I used to sit on her porch and listen to her. She would read novels. She was just one of those women who was amazing. She was retired and she just loved. She loved having me there. I loved being there. And we became fast friends and what I learned from her is service. She. I didn't know it at the time, but how involved she was with the community and volunteering and just saving her pennies. She'd always say to help different causes and make an impact. And I really saw that, and it became something that I wanted to embody and be. And so our life, lifelong friendship. She she passed away at ninety two years old quite a few years ago now. But we I just I look to her and I think about her and the things that I do, and whether it's through work or volunteering or with family, I think about her and her example. And so so that's why I, I do what I do and, and want to continue to be involved. Um, we're excited to learn more about ways that Maggie not only does that herself, but will encourage us to do so. But, Maggie, tell me what you get to do for your work. Sure, I help communities and I help nonprofits, and I like to say I like to help them turn ideas into action, think creatively and act strategically. And I do that from a lot of strategy work. I do that in facilitation, and I've done that more and more with public engagement. And I believe in equitable public engagement. So getting everybody around the table to help make decisions about their communities and to have those good conversations that so many times we just either have an A side office or don't even have it all. You facilitate those conversations to be able to really bring to light what communities and people are needing and wanting. It's beautiful. Your core values. We've prefaced them a little bit by saying justice and authenticity. Why is it those two that stand out the most for you, and then how do they show up in a daily basis for both you and your work and at home? Yeah. So justice for me really ties back to that public engagement. It is making sure every voice is heard and every person has the opportunity to be heard, has respect and basic dignity. Um, that has been something that I think is just inborn in me. I remember from a very small age being upset if somebody was being treated the wrong way on the, on the, you know, at, on the playground. So I, uh, I've just always felt very cautious and careful and, and almost empathetic and want to make sure that everybody is getting what they need in their lives. And then authenticity really is something that I've come to after a number of years of doing values work. And that is just really being truthful to myself, being transparent with others about who I am, what I have to offer, and and doing what I say I'm going to do. Um, so it's encouraging myself to be authentic and also encouraging other people to be authentic. This is different than like in a courtroom, and justice will be served, right? We're not we're not talking about that. And yet, Maggie, was there ever a time where you felt like you didn't get to share your thoughts or your experience or strategy that has now stemmed you to be able to ask others? Yeah, I think every woman has been in a room where they were not heard or valued or asked or even, you know, even to this day. And so I have been in those places. Of course, I, I consider myself a person of privilege. I was born in the right place, with the right family and the right look, you know, all those things. So I am very privileged when it comes to that. But I am a woman in a world where, you know, we still listen to men a lot. And I think that's somewhere where I can connect with people and say, yeah, I've been in a space where somebody didn't value what I had to say, and it's taken a lot of work for me to continue to stand up and say, no, you know, I'm going to be heard. And this is what I have to say, and it's worthy and it's valuable. And so I want to see that for everybody, not just myself, which dovetails nicely right into this conversation about income. We've often seen tension about impact and income for women. I mean, over years, there's still a discrepancy. Mm. And it's and it's interesting because I just don't think that sometimes, especially with purpose driven work, because when you're working with nonprofits or if you want to give more than actually you're receiving and vice versa, I even find myself sometimes having a challenge in how much to charge, or even a scarcity mindset when it comes to those types of things, or even like this equating my value to a dollar amount. Yeah. We know that that is difficult. And oftentimes people don't that aren't working for themselves or aren't pricing their own packages or services like you and I. It's eight to five. You of course, equate your worth to an hourly value, and that is not healthy for our mindsets. Where do you really Lee, where do you have passion in talking about that? And why do you believe that there is profit and it is essential? Yeah, yeah. So I wasn't always able to do this work for for what I think is important as far as making an impact and making a profit. And I think what it came down to is I had a friend one time point out to me, she's like, what would you tell a younger version of yourself who wasn't in your position? And how would you tell them what their value was? Would, would you want to undervalue them because, oh, maybe you don't need it as much as the next person or yeah, they're nonprofits, so they can't, you know, they can't pay that much. Everything's scarce. And and she's like, what would you coach somebody else in? And I said, well, I'd tell them they're worth it. And the value they bring is going to be worth it. And they need to to ask for what, you know, what they're worth. And so it was easier for me to take myself out of the equation and kind of think about it from the outside of, you know, let's talk about what the next generation, what the with the next, Maggie with the next. Denise, will, will need and how they can be supported and be supportive in their lives. And um, and so I even have this little card here, you know, make, make an impact and profit. Um, because that helps me remember the two things that I want. My call to courage, if you will, is making an impact in a profit. Because profit is not greed. It's really for me, it's capacity. It's my ability to profit from my quality of work. I can have better tools, better teammates. Time to think. Um, it can help reduce that burnout and turnover. If I make more money and then profit helps me be more impactful so I can use this money to do good, you know, not that I have to give it all away, and certainly I don't. I'm like, you know, I want things to be nice for my family and I want to contribute to our household, but I can also do some extra things if I have that profit. And I can be somebody who has resources rather than being somebody who needs those resources. So that's what profit does for me and why I've kind of shifted over my career and making that an important piece of what I do. I once along that mindset of, you know, taking yourself out of that equation. When I was working at a radio station, my sales manager at the time said, if you price things too low, it actually gives off the perception that it's not worth very much. Yeah, you're not worth very much. You don't think it's worth very much. And then in turn, you're going to be mad. And on that cycle of oh my goodness, there's just so much work, why didn't I charge more? And so when you look at people not as, oh, this is a way for me to make money or make an income or make a living, but it's a way to serve people better. That mind shift has such power. I think women who are resourced especially can lead better and they could lead longer. And that's what we need. We need more women. We need more people who are resourced, who can do good with with what they, you know, what they make and what they have in the world. So that's what I want to be a part of. And having this conversation around money, so many people just don't. There are conversations growing up on our farm family that my dad and his parents need to have, and I joke around from time to time, I'm like, dad, if only you knew someone who could facilitate conversations around hard things. Dad, how do you personally decide in addition to you know, how to price things, right? You you equate the value of time and your education and how you can best serve. But how do you then personally decide which clients and projects to work on or work with? Yeah, it's it's taken some time. Um, certainly. I have not figured it out all the way, but I, I think I have I've grown more in my intuition, um, so I can look at a project, a potential project, and one say, you know, are you going to be able to pay me what? What I need you to pay me in order for me to to do what I need to do and give it the time and resources and energy I need need to put into this. So it comes down to money is do you have a realistic budget for excellence? Is the mission connecting? You know, is the mission connecting to what my values are and what I want to make an impact in, um, is how you're working going to be realistic? Are you being, you know, do we have the resources, are the leaders, you know, involved and ready to do the hard work? So I think those things really come into play when I decide if I'm doing a project or not. And I tell you the time and energy I have saved on not doing every single proposal and deciding beforehand, you know, this is not my best. This is not where I need to be right now. Has has been just amazing. It's been it's it's helped me, you know, that saying that no protects your yeses, right. So what I can say no to really quickly then allows me to work even faster and better with the people that make sense for me to work with this conversation and that that we've had thus far, is really great for those women who kind of run their own businesses and name their own price. For those women who might be working an eight to five. How do you suggest that they, if they are in that season where they want to amp up their income, how might you suggest to do it? Or maybe the first step is how do we change that mindset to not equate our time to dollar? I haven't really been in that mindset since, you know, fifteen, eighteen years ago. Mhm. Yeah. Same. It's almost been ten for me. Um you know I think people, no matter where they are can be leaders in the work that they do. You know everybody's a leader if you're looking at it is that mindset. Even if you have an org chart that's five deep ahead of you and maybe none below you. Um, they need to start thinking about what impact they're making in the work they do. Right. And we want to allow them to consider what is the value. Think about it from your, you know, the perspective of what value are you bringing your employer, your clients, the people you're working with on behalf of your employer? And then if you want to advocate for yourself in a position, that's what you need to to have those conversations about. And it can't just be quickly. It can't be just, you know, overnight. You decide I'm going to walk in and say, hey, I need more of this, you know, and not give a reason. You have to build your own case and look at it objectively and maybe have, you know, some get a shared colleague, get some a colleague or a friend to help you walk through the scenarios of why your work should be valued and why. If you're looking for an increase, it should be, you know, you should be increase. And that is not just because you're a good person and you want more money so you can do more things. It has to be connected to what you're bringing to the job and the people that you're serving. So if you can connect those things, that's when you're ready to take that case to the person who is going to make those decisions and then show up and do what you say you're going to do. Yeah. Do the right thing when no one is looking. Yeah, absolutely. I think that's most of my career has just been doing what I say I'm going to do, rising above that expectation because it's it's providing that exceptional experience. You referenced that earlier. Uh, before we get too much off of the money talk, because it's so interesting to me. And that's something that you really empower women to talk about and that justice behind it. Is it wrong of me to say I've worked with hundreds of businesses, so I'm leaning on your expertise as well. Is it wrong of me to say, hey, if you're a leader and you are controlling other people's incomes, you better believe that they are talking about how much they are making. Previously discussions I know were not had around. Oh, I'm making this. How much are you making? Like previously, we did not use to talk about that. I think based on stories that I have seen and seen it and done it myself, that is absolutely not true. People are talking about it. Would you agree? I would agree and yeah, recent. Now I'm I'm in a position for an interim period of time where I am, I am managing some individuals and I've heard these conversations now and they've been open with me. And I think transparency is good. We need transparency in all forms. And obviously there's places where we have to, um, you know, not share certain things. But when we can share and when we can say things to other folks, then that's what we need to be able to do something to at least keep in mind when it comes to leaders in our communities and in our businesses, because conversations are being had. And I love your take on that, Maggie, about that is transparency. And as leaders, we need to remember that those conversations are happening not only for the transparency part, but for, you know, the value piece that justice in impact around income. And it's such a cool conversation. I don't want to go too much into that, because sometimes this information already could have been a lot for people. They're like, wait, what? I'm not supposed to equate my dollar amount to my worth? No, shockingly. And I'll be honest, Maggie, and maybe you do this too. Every time I get a yes out of a speaking engagement, I don't I don't do that for some of the local stuff, because there is an economy that is different here than across the country. But every time I put a proposal together for speaking engagement and they don't even question my price, there's a piece in my mind that goes, oh crap, I didn't get that high enough. And the next time I'm bumping it up by two hundred bucks easily. And it's not easy because there is a little bit of struggle and a thought process that goes through my mind in saying, oh my gosh, am I going to be able to provide this value for two hundred dollars? Heck, you know, Yeah. So I love your perspective of taking yourself out of the equation, because if that was you talking to me about that, I'd be like, Maggie, boost it by four hundred. Yes, yes. You need somebody, and I'm sure you have this in your life, but I have. Dear friends and colleagues. Julie Bull is one of my dear friends and colleagues coaches. I've been lucky to be on her journey since she began, and she is that person for me. And she'll say, no, you're you're worth more than that. No, don't you know, don't question this, do this. And and sometimes you need that person. Everyone needs that person in your life. So if you don't have that find, find that person because they're going to make your value even and go up exponentially. Maggie is talking about Julie Bull, who was on a podcast a couple weeks ago. I'm going to link that episode in the show notes so you can see who Maggie is talking about. But the cool thing is, for me, for someone who is a little bit younger than both of you, getting to see women supporting women like that, and now instantly I thought, oh, I was supposed to tell Julie that we were supposed to get to coffee together. And now I'm like, all three of us are going to coffee now. That's right. Be able to see that relationship and have good people on your team is so important. And that is a testament to your values that we have talked about from the very beginning. And you have said that courage is your personal calling. Will you define to me courage from your perspective and how it has evolved who you are today? I think courage has been taking action despite the risk, um, and in the presence of risk. And that action has to be aligned with my values. So I have many times said things where I probably, you know, would have been easier, maybe if I would have just stayed seated and not raised my hand and said, I don't know about this, but I'll tell you every time I have said that in meetings, large or small, one on ones, in emails. I am so much more aligned with who I am that authenticity and that justice piece that there's I don't there's really not an option for me anymore to not say what I think needs to be said and not to speak the truth even when it's uncomfortable. And and that might include being vulnerable and letting people see what's behind everything. Um, but it is it has been so important to, to do those little things on a daily basis that are standing up and saying, no, let's look at this a different way. Or have we why didn't we invite these people or what? You know, why are you making this decision without X, Y, and Z? That it's it's been worth it to me and I don't think I could I don't think I could live any other way, unfortunately, even though maybe it would be easier sometimes. But it's, it's just and I say unfortunately it's not. It's fortunate I'm lucky to have that in me. It's probably something that was instilled from my parents and just doing the right thing and speaking up, and and that's what I think courage is all about, just not the heroic, dramatic actions, but that every day, like bravery, that speaking up when you know you need to speak up, that give me chills. Because not all of us have been taught that from a young age. And think about it in school, right? We're often judged for asking, for sharing, for speaking up like, oh my gosh. Eye rolls or groans or oh, you don't know the answer to that question. I mean, it's ingrained in us from a very young age. Maggie, you have three kids. How did you start teaching and sharing this type of thought process with them? And I ask not only for me, myself to teach my kids, but for all of us listening. Oh, I mean, I have wonderful kids. So Alex is eighteen and he's just started college this year. John Wood and Charlie's going to be sixteen and Cecilia's going to she's thirteen and Rocky in eighth grade. So they're getting a little bit older. And so things have changed a little bit in how we communicate. And I think what has changed the most is talking about how we can do hard things. Um, because they've seen me recently and, and always do things that were really difficult in work, but doing it for the right reasons. And so we talk every day. And kind of our mantra when I drop them off at school is be kind, be brave and be strong. Um, be strong. Um, so, so letting them know and letting them see the work I'm doing and that it's hard. And I don't always know if I'm doing the right thing in every move that I make. And many times I'm not, but that I'm going to keep going and try to do things for the right reasons has, I hope, instilled in them what I was, you know, was instilled in me, which is we're here to help other people and, and do our best, and we're not going to be perfect, and we're going to fail and we're going to get back up and we're going to try it again. And and that's, I hope, what my kids are taking into life and I, I see that already. So I believe they're they're all good humans. And I can't wait to see what they do with that. And I can't wait to, to watch. So it's so proud. So proud not only of you but of them. And also I wish that my last name was strong. How cool is that? I told my husband that I we were keeping strong. It wouldn't have mattered if it was his or mine that that was it. So he was lucky that it was his. So I think sometimes sharing life, especially hard things in life with our kids, is something that a lot of us think that we should protect them from. And yet that's the exact opposite of what you and I are talking about. It's sharing that vulnerability. And Maggie, I'm not it's not that I'm not proud of this. It's that it's still I think is a sore point for me, which means I haven't forgiven the other person. But this summer at the fair, there was a hard conversation that needed to be had between me and a community member. And it involved, you know, derogatory things being said about my sister. And I think you and I both know that when they come for your sister or your brother, you better watch out like I am. Older child claws come in. You don't get to talk like that. Well, to the point where I was yelled at in front of people. And that wasn't the hard thing that bothered me. It was the tension when he left his left. The the. I will say, I don't know about you, but sometimes when you have these types of hard conversations and you stand up for yourself, you might want to elevate to that other person's level. But that's actually not what you're supposed to do, right? You're supposed to calm and and almost whisper to get them to lean in. And that's what I did. And yet I don't love conflict. I love working through conflict, but I don't love unresolved conflict. And so when this person just decided, well, enough of enough is enough, he is left. He left, stormed off and I we didn't get we didn't reach resolution. It's okay. We're not going to. And yet my heart was sad and I cried. And I shared with our kids. I cried in front of our kids and they said, why are you sad? And I explained the scenario. And it's so interesting because oftentimes when people find things in stories like Sidney said, oh, were you sad that you got yelled at? Absolutely not. Bring it on. Right. It that's what would have made her sad. I worked through that with her and I said, no. It is actually the fact that we didn't meet a resolution and there's still tension there. And I didn't get to resolve that her face, because I talked to them like this was just like, huh? And not three weeks later when school was in session, she goes, I know what you're talking about, mommy. When you say tension now. And she goes, there was tension between me and this other girl and I walked right up to her on the first day of school and I said, name? Let's not argue this year and have a good year. Oh, isn't that beautiful? And had I not cried, showed some things that I was not proud of, and yet pointed out what we could have done differently, maybe that wouldn't have happened. And so you're not going to give yourself enough credit, as I'm sure you are very much deserving. But yet I know that you do the same thing. And it's how do we have courageous conversations? Well, sometimes it's getting vulnerable and honest about things that aren't so great. Honestly. Yeah. Letting our kids know that this is hard for us too. And we're going to make mistakes. And it's okay as long as we're we're helping, you know, correct those mistakes and trying to do what's best. And that yeah, it can be hard, but it's so valuable, I think for them to see that and yeah, let let them see our tears, let them see the difficulty in what we're trying to do. So many women leaders like you and I are blazing trails, and I love that thought process. And yet, what are you wanting to make possible for the next generation to know what is your hope for them? Or what kind of example do you hope to set? For those who, like me, are following in your flame blazing trail? Oh, that's. Well, we're gonna we're walking alongside each other, I would say. And, um, I think I want people to walk alongside me and let me help them see that you can be unapologetic, unapologetically profitable, and also make an impact and do those things together. And, you know, respect yourself in that service of others. So I want people to know that they can make a difference. And making that difference Friends doesn't come at the, you know, expense of of helping them support their own families. And those things can are not mutually exclusive, you know. Does that does that make sense to you? I want I want people to say that they can make an impact in a profit. And I want the next I want my daughter to be able to to do that. Um, my son's two, obviously, but you know, I want I want those women who are younger than me in the next generation to know that they have value and they better, you know, work to to do what they can to to get that back in the world so that they can put it back out there. Absolutely. You can do good and make good money doing good. And you can do even more if you have good money. There is this hope and dream of mine that eventually, when things in different realms within working moms redefine takes off, I want to. As you can tell, the icon I want to. I want to give young adults their first pair of heels for their job interview, and that's like a nonprofit in the back of my mind. Well, once you have to define what enough is and then be able to give back in that way, well, enough looks different for a lot of different people, but it's our mindset. We have to identify what that looks like. And it's it's fun and exciting and yet different and courageous. So my question, I guess for you is have you changed your definition of what is enough in regards to profit for you each year? And then do you set goals or do you pray or do you manifest like what does that look like for you? All the things and it is it is a work in progress for sure. Um, I am continually evaluating what I'm doing, for what costs and for what reasons. And it's it's certainly the first half of my consulting career. I was I would say Lucky's not the right word because I put myself in a position and I showed people the value, but work was coming to me and that's still the case. I tend to not market myself too much because I always have enough, um, you know, people, I'm always the next project, always seems to come to me, which has been wonderful. But that's also been something that I think I can change and be more proactive and be more intentional. So that's what I'm doing now, is saying, what kind of work do I want? Where I can make the, you know, the greatest impact and also the profit that I need and have to find. And so that's has been a recent switch for me because it used to just be like, oh, these things are coming. This is how much I'm going to charge. And thank you for, you know, for reaching out. And now it is more intentional. And I'm thinking, this is what I want to do. This is where I'm going to put my stake in the ground and how I can help and be the best version for you and show up. Um, and that that is different for me. It's certainly a new, uh, newer concept for me. And I'm excited to to be in that realm for the first time in my consulting careers. And I think that's allowing me to make that profit and that that impact even more. I love that you're vulnerable in the sense of we are forever learners. And the minute that we start saying, oh, I don't need to learn that, oh, there is your demise. So I appreciate you saying that. Yeah. I am learning so much every single day and, um, stretching beyond what I ever thought I could recently. And it's it's what I can say is that at the end of the day, I can hug my daughter and say, we can do hard things. And that really makes makes it all worth it. Uh, it helps me get to the next day at this point, which is which. Sometimes it's hard. So you're persevering each and every day. That's right. As we start to wrap things up before our lightning round style of questions. If you were talking specifically to me, or someone like me, or someone even who's working in an eight to five, and you want to empower women to do the next thing, whatever that might look like, what would you say to her? Get really clear on your values and why you're doing what you're doing, and what impact you want to make in the world, and then make decisions based on those. Everybody's values are a little different. You know, it could be family for you. It could be, you know, faith. It could be. There's so many different ways to look at things. So mine happened to be justice and authenticity. Not that I don't care about all these other values, but those are the two that kind of drive me every day. And I make my decisions based on that in work and in life. And I think I would tell people to consider do some work around values, consider what is most important to you, and then you know, what they say about how you spend your days is how you spend your life are the things on your calendar every day aligning with those values? If not, think about changing that calendar. And what do you know how to do that? How would you suggest there's tons of activities that people can do? And yet how would you suggest that someone sits down tonight, lunch hour after the kids go to bed and start really noticing or logging their values? What might you suggest to them? So obviously AI or Google Google like values work. I love Brene Brown. That's where I dare to lead, you know, is is where I kind of entered into like defining what my values were. So look up, dare to lead, look up Brené Brown and values work. And you can start by just looking at a list of different values, and go through that list really quick and see which ones make the most sense to you. Very quickly. Do it real quick and then, you know, maybe have ten that you circled, and then go back through it and think again. Now what would really matter to me if I had to only choose five and then keep narrowing those down, and they might change over time. But I think that's a good process that I've gone through is really, you know, narrowing those down to what is most important to you. If you only had to choose two, what would they be and why? And I think anybody could do that. You know, now that we have all these different tools at our disposal. So so do some values work, figure out what is most important to you and then start using those to make decisions. Mhm. Beautiful. She wrapped up so nicely Maggie. Lightning round. First answer that comes to mind. Explain answer. And then why. Okay. If you could have dinner with one female leader, who would it be and why? Past or present. Oh, um, Angela merkel, German chancellor. I know it's so random. I love that name. Yeah. Angela. Uh, she's the old German chancellor, and I just think she was a badass. Um, just from the little I've known about her. It's so random, but I just think she's she's really cool, so. Okay. She she makes decisions. Yeah. Look her up. I mean, any, any world leader, you know, but yes, I it's such a random answer. But I've always admired her from afar. Definitely looking her up. Okay. What is one small daily ritual that you do that totally grounds you? Um, so right now I have a small commute, which is the first time in my life. And so I will listen to music on the way there and back, and that takes me into and out of what I need to be prepared for, for the day. So I love to sing really loud in my in my car, by myself. Um, I'm going to need your favorite song now to Blair. Oh gosh, I don't even know. Or artist. I've got so many. I like Brandi Carlile. Um, I've been listening to it randomly, a lot of her, so I love it. And then if I need a throwback and I'm really angry or something, I go back to Alanis Morissette, which tells my age, but, um, but there's just a few songs that really I connect with her a lot on. I love it, I love it. Uh, what is a book that completely changed your perspective in the best way possible? Um, one that I'm reading right now is, oh my gosh, it's hospitality. Unreasonable hospitality. And it is, uh, from a gentleman who's been in food service and like, one of the most expensive, nicest restaurants in the world in New York City. And he talks about how they, um, their how their hospitality is just to the point of it's unreasonable how much they're hospitable to people. And I think that could just be taken and used in every thing. You go above and beyond for serving people, and I think that can be used in all different ways when you're when you're working with people. So I love that one. Final question. We were talking about impact and profit. What is your favorite thing that you have ever used your profit to purchase for you and only you? Oh holy me. Um. My travel. Um. So. Yeah. Uh, I can't choose just one trip, but I I've been to Spain. I've been. I'm taking our family is going to New York City in the fall, and I just love to, um, you know, when I can experience new things. And I think that's. It's all about experience, right? So I love it. That one thing. Such a good answer. Travel. Travel. Obviously so many of you are going to be wanting to reach out to Maggie and we will put her contact information, her social, her website, all of that good stuff so you can reach out and learn more about Maggie, have a conversation and really live life along. Somebody who is going to lift you up and help you realize that your impact and profit can live hand in hand. And let's not feel guilty about that. or shame, or any other sort of feeling that we might be producing on ourselves that we as women and working moms already do way too much of. Thank you Maggie, for this time. What a blessing you are. We'll be reminding both our daughters and sons that not only can you do hard things, but we can do hard things. Thank you for listening to the Working Moms Redefined podcast. It is not lost on me that you chose to spend time together. Thank you. Let's connect outside of this space on socials. We'd love for you to follow us on Instagram Facebook LinkedIn, Pinterest. We've got it all to connect with you! If you feel as if someone in your life could be impacted by this message, feel free to share it. That is the biggest compliment as we part ways together. Remember, you can do hard things. She. Do you think she has had or has had decision fatigue? Uh, probably.
